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Message-ID: <ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part5_1051198758@rtfm.mit.edu> Supersedes: <ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part5_1048762998@rtfm.mit.edu> Expires: 5 Jun 2003 15:39:18 GMT References: <ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part1_1051198758@rtfm.mit.edu> X-Last-Updated: 1996/06/22 From: Internet Esquire <netesq@dcn.davis.ca.us> Organization: Internet Esquire(SM) Newsgroups: ucd.king-hall,news.answers Subject: King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 5 of 9 Followup-To: poster Summary: This article is Part Five of a Multipart compilation of information on subjects of interest to the readers of the ucd.king-hall USENET newsgroup and other members and would-be members of the King Hall Law School community. Date: 24 Apr 2003 15:39:59 GMT X-Trace: 1051198799 senator-bedfellow.mit.edu 3934 18.181.0.29 Archive-name: ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part5 Posting-Frequency: monthly Last-modified: Jun. 22, 1996 Version: 21Jun96 [ASCII/Multipart] URL: <http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/ucdavis/king-hall-faq/part5/faq.html > Ebb: <http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~netesq/USENET-FAQs/king-hall/part4.html > The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 5 of 9 Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall (c) Copyright 1995 & 1996 by David F. Prenatt, Jr. King Hall, 1995 Alumnus U.C. Davis School of Law University of California Davis, CA 95616-5210 <mailto:NetEsq@dcn.davis.ca.us > The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ (King Hall USENET FAQ) may be comprised of more than one part. If it is, please see the TABLE OF CONTENTS in Part One for a complete list of the questions that have attempted to answer and for other important legal information. Caveat emptor: I assume no obligation for anyone through the publication of the King Hall USENET FAQ. Furthermore, all versions of the King Hall USENET FAQ are my personal property and are protected by applicable copyright laws. All rights are reserved except as follows: I hereby give my permission to anyone who has access to this version of the King Hall USENET FAQ to reproduce the information contained herein for non-profit purposes, provided that proper credit is given to me as the author of this FAQ and that I am promptly notified of any use other than personal use. I may revoke permission to reproduce any version of this FAQ at any time. - - - - - The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 5 of 9 Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall (c) Copyright 1995 & 1996 by David F. Prenatt, Jr. 4.2) THE SECOND YEAR OF LAW SCHOOL AT KING HALL. 4.2.1) ON CAMPUS INTERVIEWS (OCI). 4.2.1.1) What is OCI? The term OCI refers to the longstanding practice of various law firms to coordinate their hiring efforts through Career Services (primarily for second year law students). The OCI process is not unlike rushing fraternities and sororities (i.e., a superficial popularity contest). 4.2.1.2) Should I participate in OCI? It depends upon what kind of job you want. OCI takes up a lot of time and energy, and you may end up getting a high-paying/dead-end job with a glass ceiling. About seven years after law school, many lawyers who go to work for large firms find themselves out of a job and without enough practical legal experience to open their own law firm. In other words, be careful what you wish for, it may come true. At the same time, many legal employers use OCI by default. So if you opt out of OCI entirely, you may miss out on many of the job opportunities that might really interest you. And a baffling fact of life is that many legal employers will not offer you a position until you prove that you are appealing to other law firms. And when you receive an actual job offer, you can contact a potential employer who has been sitting on your resume and use the job offer you have as a bargaining chip for a job offer that you want (tactfully, of course). So applying for jobs that you don't want can help you get jobs that you do want. 4.2.1.3) What alternatives are there to OCI? [Rev] You can simply apply for the jobs that interest you. For one reason or another, many job openings are not filled through OCI (smaller firms, for example, cannot plan that far ahead). Whatever you choose to do, be discrete about your success and your failure. Much like first year grades, looking for a job during the second year of law school is a challenge to the self-esteem of most law students, particularly those who don't get the job offers that they want. See Section 4.6.5 for information on Career Planning Resources on the Internet. 4.2.1.4) What are call-back interviews? Call-back interviews (call-backs) are pretty much what they sound like: Interviews that take place after employers call back the job applicants who made a good first impression at their initial OCI interviews. Call-backs usually require job applicants to travel overnight to out of town law firms and miss a day of school. Depending upon the law firm, applicants may or may not be reimbursed for mileage, taxis, meals, plane fares, and hotel accomodations. The inconvenience of OCI and call-backs cannot be overstated. If you are "lucky" enough to get the job interviews that you want, you will still be overwhelmed with the demands on your time that will accompany out of town travel. Accordingly, the "lucky" people must often decide between OCIs/call-backs and sleeping and/or studying. Moreover, your second year of law school, when most OCIs take place, is filled with activities such as Law Review and Moot Court that will demand most, if not all, of your time. 4.2.2) JUDICIAL CLERKSHIPS. 4.2.2.1) What is a judicial clerkship? A judicial clerkship is a paid position as a legal clerk working for a judge or group of judges that begins after you graduate from law school. Judicial clerkships are different from judicial externships, which are often completed for course credit during law school. Judicial clerkships are extremely prestigious and the competition for these positions is very fierce. 4.2.2.2) How do I apply for a judicial clerkship? Each judicial clerkship has its own guidelines. Contact the individual judge's chambers for more information on a particular clerkship. King Hall also has a special clerkship committee that helps King Hall students put together necessary materials. For more information, contact Jane Thomson (<mailto:jthomson@ucdavis.edu >) at the Career Services Office, (916)752-6574. 4.2.3) SECOND AND THIRD YEAR COURSES AT KING HALL. For a complete and current list of second and third year courses, readers with a web browser may visit the King Hall Second and Third Year Courses Web Page on the World Wide Web: <http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/pages/2nd3rd.htm > 4.2.3.1) LAW REVIEW AND MOOT COURT. 4.2.3.1.1) Should I do Law Review or Moot Court? Yes. Either one or both (I did both). 4.2.3.1.1.1) Which program is better, Law Review or Moot Court? Law Review is much more prestigious than Moot Court and can open up a lot of doors for you, but Law Review is also much more demanding on your time than Moot Court. Both programs are very rewarding. 4.2.3.1.1.2) Can I do both Law Review and Moot Court? Yes, at least during the Fall Semester. Alternatively, you can do Moot Court during your third year, but that would preclude serving on the Moot Court Board or Moot Court Teams during your third year. Whether you want to continue with Law Review during your second semester is the real issue. 4.2.3.1.2) What sort of demands upon my time should I expect from Law Review? The first semester (i.e., the Fall Semester) of Law Review requires "candidates for membership" to fulfill modest office hour requirements, complete a cite checking assignment, and submit two drafts of a "note" or "comment" on a topic of their choice. However, the second semester of Law Review is extremely demanding, whether or not you succeed in becoming a Member or Editor. [Note: first semester requirements for Law Review Writers were recently changed from one "good faith draft" during the Fall Semester to two drafts. The jury is still out on the prudence of this decision, which is intended to speed up the process by which people become Law Review Editors, but which will also act as a gatekeeping mechanism for people who are sitting on the fence about whether to do Law Review at all.] 4.2.3.1.2.1) How do I become a Law Review Member? Any second year law student at King Hall can "write-on" as a Member of Law Review. Each draft of your note or comment is reviewed by two staff editors who are assigned to you, and you revise your note or comment according to their editorial feedback. When your staff editors run out of criticism, they usually recommend your draft to the Notes and Comments Editor who is assigned to you. Your Notes and Comments Editor makes the decision as to when you qualify for Member. More information on becoming a Law Review Member can be found on the World Wide Web at Law Review Questions and Answers for Prospective Students (<http://kinghall.ucdavis.edu/stu_org/lawrev/candidat.htm >). 4.2.3.1.2.1.1) How do I pick a good topic for my law review article? Most people make their choice of a law review topic based on a personal predilection towards a particular issue (as I did). Other student writers try to pick a topic that they think will be interesting to their intended audience. After careful consideration and months of pounding my head against a wall, I came to the well- reasoned conclusion that the best method of choosing a topic for a law review article is what I refer to as the "cynic's choice." Rather than reinvent the wheel, the best way to find a "good topic" for your own student article is to read through other student articles until you find one that you think is well-written. Then, research that well-written article until you find another student article (that virtually always exists) contradicting the first article on some key point. You have now found that mysterious and mystical "split in authority" to which law review editors constantly refer [technically, a split in authority should be between different jurisdictions], along with two model articles with which to structure your own work. You will also have a humongous head start on your own legal research, and you will need it. Law Review is not a creative writing process. It is an exercise in tedious research that focusses on recapitulating and elucidating (in "Plain English"--irony intentional) the work of other legal scholars. Try as you may, you will never find a "good topic" for a student article on which someone else has never written, and you are foolish to try. By definition, the good topics are all taken. 4.2.3.1.2.1.2) Isn't the "cynic's choice" method of finding a law review topic somehow . . . dishonest? Quite the opposite. It requires you to be honest with yourself and face the truth that takes most Law Review Writers (including me) months to realize: As a Law Review Writer, you don't have an original idea in your head that anyone else cares to read. Every intellectual assertion that you make in your student article needs at least two supporting authorities (if not more to convince a skeptical Law Review Staff Editor that you are really on to something). If your ideas for your article are truly original, they are probably fatally flawed; at best they will be unsupportable. 4.2.3.1.2.2) How do I become a Law Review Editor? The process is pretty much the same as becoming a Law Review Member, but new staff editors are assigned to you, more exacting standards are invoked, and the Editor in Chief must approve your paper after you are recommended for Editor. [Note: Exceptions to this process do exist. Check with one of the current Notes & Comments Editors or Editor in Chief if you think that special circumstances apply to your situation.] 4.2.3.1.2.3) What happens after I become a Law Review Editor? After you become a Law Review Editor, you review the work of Law Review Candidates and Members as described above. You may also wish to seek one of the elected positions on the Law Review Editorial Board. Check with current Board Members for further information on these positions. 4.2.3.1.2.4) What happens if I am not recommended to become a Law Review Member or Editor? You can always appeal such a decision by your editors, but the odds are stacked against you. The guidelines for what constitutes a member or editor quality draft are very subjective. Thus, it's best to comply with the editorial demands of your editors. Many good law review writers who do not succeed in becoming a Member or Editor are simply too defensive about the editorial feedback that they receive. On the other hand, your editors may neglect their duties to you. If this happens, you should promptly report the situation to someone you can trust, preferably someone who can take some sort of remedial action. Otherwise, you will end up as one of the many people who gets eliminated from the law review process every year. You may get eliminated anyway if you encounter some sort of problem with your topic that you cannot fix, such as pre-emption. If for some reason you are unable to continue with Law Review, it is not the end of the world. Many people continue working on their law review article to complete the Advanced Writing Requirement and obtain independent study course credit. At least one person I know had her law review article published in a prestigious journal after she lost an appeal for Law Review Membership. 4.2.3.1.2.5) Why should I do Law Review? Most people are compelled to do Law Review because of its resume value and the great prestige that it confers. Above and beyond this, Law Review gives you formal access to your colleagues who are a year ahead of you. Thus, Law Review is an excellent opportunity for you to hone your legal research and writing skills in a very demanding academic environment. 4.2.3.1.3) What is Moot Court? When most people talk about Moot Court, they are talking about the year long program of Appellate Advocacy at King Hall. There are actually several Moot Court programs; Appellate Advocacy is the most popular one. 4.2.3.1.3.1) Why should I do Moot Court? Moot Court will help you acquire valuable skills in oral advocacy. Having clerked for Moot Court as a One L, I though I knew what to expect from oral arguments, but boy was I wrong. I have never had a fear of public speaking, but during my first oral argument in Legal Writing as a One L, I experienced an adrenaline rush that really surprised me. All at once it occurred to me that I was confronting a hostile heckler to whom I was required to show deference (i.e., the judge) while at the same time zealously advocating the interests of my client. I decided to do Moot Court because I realized that it's best to learn how to cope with such epiphanies in an academic setting rather than in a real courtroom. 4.2.3.1.3.2) What should I expect from Moot Court? The first semester (i.e., Fall Semester) of Moot Court (i.e., Appellate Advocacy) involves researching and arguing both sides of three hypothetical cases on appeal. The second semester of Moot Court is different in that it involves a single hypothetical case comprised of two issues on appeal; you work with a partner who helps you prepare a written brief. Participation in the second semester of Moot Court is also used to qualify students for certain Moot Court teams. 4.2.3.1.3.3) How do I qualify for a Moot Court team? Many of the Moot Court teams are selected from the Appellate Advocacy program, but there are several other teams that are sponsored independently by the law school that have nothing to do with the Appellate Advocacy program. In addition, you can create your own team for one of the competitions that is not sponsored by the law school. 4.2.3.1.3.4) What is the Moot Court Board? The Moot Court Board runs the year long Appellate Advocacy program. Students are elected to the Moot Court Board by the outgoing Board. 4.2.3.2) THE ADVANCED WRITING REQUIREMENT. Many people use Law Review or Moot Court to complete the Advanced Writing Requirement, but any professor can supervise an Advanced Writing Project to help you complete this requirement. For more information, contact Nicole Waterman (<mailto:ngwaterman@ucdavis.edu >) or Dian Francis (<mailto:dpfrancis@ucdavis.edu >) in the King Hall Registrar's Office in person or at (916)752-4299. 4.2.3.3) CLINICALS. 4.2.3.3.1) Should I take a clinical? [Rev] Yes. It is an opportunity that few attorneys have for obtaining practical lawyering skills, but a clinical should not be used as a substitute for other more challenging law school courses. I took the Civil Rights Clinical, conducted by supervising attorneys Carter "Cappy" White (<mailto:ccwhite@ucdavis.edu >) and Professor Margaret Johns (<mailto:mzjohns@ucdavis.edu >). [Note: Cappy left King Hall at the end of the Fall 1995 semester, and I am not personally acquainted with his replacement.] As a Certified Student Attorney, I represented pro se plaintiffs who had filed meritorious Section 1983 Civil Rights claims with the Eastern District Federal Court in Sacramento and were assigned to the King Hall Civil Rights Clinic sua sponte (the expertise of Certified Student Attorneys helps unclog the court's calendar, which is overrun by the numerous plaintiffs who appear in propria persona because they cannot afford an attorney). I strongly recommend the Civil Rights Clinical for any law student who is interested in any type of civil litigation. Litigation is litigation is litigation, and the clinical puts its participants through the paces of every stage of a typical lawsuit. I like to think of it as "Applied Civil Procedure." Like all clinicals at King Hall, the Civil Rights Clinical requires students to be in good academic standing and become a Certified Student Attorney by applying to the court before which they wish to practice (e.g., the Eastern District Federal Court in Sacramento. This means that you must have at least a 2.0 GPA and complete courses in Civil Procedure and Evidence (concurrent enrollment in Evidence is permitted). Students can enroll for upwards of two to six units of clinical credit, graded on a Pass/No Pass basis, but the total number of students who can enroll is limited, so sign up early. In addition to the general requirements of other clinicals, the Civil Rights Clinical requires students to complete a three unit substantive course in Civil Rights (graded) and a two unit Skills Seminar (Pass/No Pass), both of which are taught by Professor Johns, although the substantive course was taught by an adjunct during the Fall 1995 Semester. [Note: Most clinicals have specific academic prerequisites. See the law school class information bulletin for more information]. Many students take the substantive Civil Rights course without taking the Civil Rights Clinical, but the Skills Seminar is an integral part of the Civil Rights Clinical. All Certified Student Attorneys in the Civil Rights Clinical must also attend a weekly one hour meeting, much like an office meeting at a law firm. 4.2.3.3.2) What clinicals are available at King Hall? King Hall sponsors legal clinicals for virtually every field of the law. For more information on how to sign up for a clinical in a field of law that interests you, contact Clinical Director Betsy Stewart (<mailto:ejstewart@ucdavis.edu >) at (916)752-6564. 4.2.3.4) PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. 4.2.3.4.1) When should I take the required course in Professional Responsibility? Whenever it is convenient, but you need to pass this course to graduate from King Hall. It is a one unit course graded on a Pass/No Pass basis. 4.2.3.4.2) When should I take the Multistate Professional Responsibility Exam (MPRE)? Whenever it is convenient, but you need to pass the MPRE to become a member of the bar in any U.S. jurisdiction. Application forms for the MPRE can usually be found in the King Hall Registrar's Office. 4.2.3.5) Should I try to become a Course Tutor or Teacher's Assistant (TA)? Yes. It has tremendous resume value, and if you intend to teach law, the experience is invaluable. 4.2.3.5.1) What is the difference between a Course Tutor and a TA? Course Tutors are somewhat unique to King Hall. All first year courses other than Legal Research and Legal Writing have Course Tutors. There is also a Resource Tutor. Course Tutors are paid for their time, and their job is to help students who ask for help in their coursework. They tend to be very good students who did well in whatever course they are tutoring. In contrast to Course Tutors, TAs are unpaid positions for Legal Research and Legal Writing. A law student who works as a TA receives course credit. I had no desire to work as a Legal Research TA, but I did work as a Legal Writing TA, and I found the experience very rewarding, albeit extremely demanding on my patience and my time. 4.2.3.5.2) What are the qualifications necessary to become a Course Tutor or TA? Assistant Dean Toni Bernhard (<mailto:aebernhard@ucdavis.edu >) is responsible for hiring Course Tutors and TAs. Contact her at (916)752-0243 for more information. 4.2.3.6) OTHER COURSES. The faculty presents a forum every year to help second and third year students make decisions about what courses that they should take. You should attend this for the most current information available. However, I do have some general and specific recommendations: * You should include at least one skills class in your law school education, such as Trial Practice or Negotiations. * You should take advantage of the various classes that offer a paper as an alternative to a final exam for two reasons: First, instructors usually allow you to rewrite your paper to bring up your grade; Second, this will give you a knock- out writing sample, possibly of publishable quality. * You should take Federal Income Taxation, regardless of your career goals. This course is a prerequisite for many other law school courses, and taxation principles are key ingredients in any modern system of law. * You should take most (but not all) courses that are designated as courses that you need for the California Bar Exam (Bar Exam). In addition, there are many courses that are not specified as Bar Exam courses that are very helpful in preparing you for the Bar Exam: - Administrative Law (3 units) (taught by Professor Arturo Gandara <mailto:agandara@ucdavis.edu >); - Federal Jurisdiction (3 units) (taught by Professor John B. Oakley <mailto:jboakley@ucdavis.edu >); and - Law of Elections & Political Campaigns (2 units) (taught by Professor Floyd Feeney <mailto:fffeeney@ucdavis.edu). I have heard that Conflicts of Law (3 units) (taught by Professor Fritz Jeunger) is also a helpful class in preparing you for the Bar Exam. I couldn't fit it into my schedule, so I wouldn't know. However, the July 1995 California Bar Exam did include a performance test based on a conflicts of law issue. 4.2.3.7) SPECIAL PROGRAMS. 4.2.3.7.1) JOINT DEGREE PROGRAMS. You can work towards a graduate degree in another department of U.C. Davis while you earn your law degree (e.g., you can earn an M.B.A. at the Graduate School of Management). If you chose to pursue such a program, you would take all of your classes at King Hall during your first year and after that divide your time up between classes at King Hall and the classes that are required in your other discipline. You would be required to file a separate application for the other program and satisfy the admission requirements for that program. 4.2.3.7.2) TAKING COURSES OUTSIDE OF KING HALL FOR CREDIT TOWARDS THE JURIS DOCTOR. 4.2.3.7.2.1) Can I take courses in other departments of U.C. Davis towards and get credit towards my law degree at King Hall? Yes, but there are limitations on how many you can take (in combination with a number of other courses) and you must obtain approval before you enroll in courses outside of the law school. [Note: Whatever grades you earn in courses outside of the normal law school curriculum at U.C. Davis will be converted to a Pass/No Pass grade, and the standards for a passing grade in these classes are higher than they are for non-law students.] Check with Assistant Dean Bernhard (<mailto:aebernhard@ucdavis.edu >) at (916)752-0243 for more information. 4.2.3.7.2.2) Can I take courses at other colleges, universities, or law schools for credit towards the Juris Doctor at King Hall? Yes. In fact, many law students from King Hall attend other law schools for a semester or more. However, there are specific academic prerequisites and other requirements, both at King Hall and at the other schools that help coordinate these programs. Check with Assistant Dean Bernhard (<mailto:aebernhard@ucdavis.edu >) for more information at (916)752-0243. 4.2.4) COMPLETING THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADMISSION TO THE BAR. Many requirements for admission to the California State Bar can be completed during your second year of law school. Complete your Moral Character Application ASAP. See Section 10.1 for more information about these requirements. - - - - - End of document: The King Hall Law School USENET FAQ Part 5 of 9 Frequently Asked Questions at and about King Hall (c) Copyright 1995 & 1996 by David F. Prenatt, Jr. King Hall, 1995 Alumnus U.C. Davis School of Law University of California Davis, CA 95616-5210 <mailto:NetEsq@dcn.davis.ca.us > Link to next document: <http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~netesq/USENET-FAQs/king-hall/part6.html > - - - - -